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Post by suen on Jul 27, 2016 13:13:07 GMT -5
'Wingers are happy that the cops are free from consequence after an innocent man ended up with a broken neck in their custody. However according to the same dumbasses the dead man is guilty by the anecdote of innocent men don't run. Being a 'winger must be a thoughtless bliss. I have said it before, and I will say it again. And again, and again, and ad infinitum. If cops can murder black men with total impunity, they can murder anyone with total impunity. And eventually, they will start murdering white men. A police force without any kind of accountability is dangerous. And eventually it will come for you.
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Post by mrobvious on Jul 27, 2016 13:15:09 GMT -5
'Wingers are happy that the cops are free from consequence after an innocent man ended up with a broken neck in their custody. However according to the same dumbasses the dead man is guilty by the anecdote of innocent men don't run. Being a 'winger must be a thoughtless bliss. I have said it before, and I will say it again. And again, and again, and ad infinitum. If cops can murder black men with total impunity, they can murder anyone with total impunity. And eventually, they will start murdering white men. A police force without any kind of accountability is dangerous. And eventually it will come for you. Particularly when they're bad. A criminal cop only try to stay out of the lime light because there might be a consequence. If there is no consequence regardless then why should a criminal cop ever care?
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Post by tittletag on Jul 27, 2016 13:15:59 GMT -5
I think dangerous is a fair description. He has shown a lack of stability and coherence or policy consistency and only shows competence in working the system to save his poor abilities as a business man; always at the expense of those that are less fortunate. One never knows how one will govern but I think it is safe to say Trump, 70 years old, has shown little if any interest in helping the poorest among us...until now. (if we take him at his word) (which I do not) *galas don't count when only used to enhance brand exposure and contacts)
Everyone has been taking the words of many politicians on all sides for a long time about the poor and they haven't delivered, so who knows maybe Trump just might. Trump's campaign slogan: What the Fuck? Why Not?
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Post by jarais on Jul 27, 2016 13:17:43 GMT -5
I engage in some tongue-in-cheek, nervous hyperbole about Trump, and then hope that it's just hyperbole. We need some laughs before end times.
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Post by LA_Randy on Jul 27, 2016 13:19:24 GMT -5
Also too... pourmecoffee @pourmecoffee View Attachment"Marco Rubio: Trump Will Learn On The Job" Will tic tack toe save the world?
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Post by mrobvious on Jul 27, 2016 13:20:13 GMT -5
Everyone has been taking the words of many politicians on all sides for a long time about the poor and they haven't delivered, so who knows maybe Trump just might. Trump's campaign slogan: What the Fuck? Why Not? 'Do you feel lucky punk? Do you?'
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Post by phillippatUK on Jul 27, 2016 13:20:31 GMT -5
Tina just texted me asking if I'd be interested in learning to ride (horses) while we're there... (Wherever 'there' is (where we're staying.)) I dunno? How can I know if I've never done it before? Wear boots to protect your ankles (hardware on the stirrups), and be prepared to become intimately familiar with your thigh muscles. I only wear boots ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) (Can't stand heels, and the last time I wore trainers, was... Ermm... (Yes, even when exercising/cycling etc.))
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Post by mrobvious on Jul 27, 2016 13:21:13 GMT -5
Also too... pourmecoffee @pourmecoffee "Marco Rubio: Trump Will Learn On The Job" Will tic tack toe save the world? Put a Chinese finger trap on his small hands and let him lose in the White House. That'll keep us safe for 4 years.
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Post by phillippatUK on Jul 27, 2016 13:22:11 GMT -5
'Wingers are happy that the cops are free from consequence after an innocent man ended up with a broken neck in their custody. However according to the same dumbasses the dead man is guilty by the anecdote of innocent men don't run. Being a 'winger must be a thoughtless bliss. I have said it before, and I will say it again. And again, and again, and ad infinitum. If cops can murder black men with total impunity, they can murder anyone with total impunity. And eventually, they will start murdering white men. A police force without any kind of accountability is dangerous. And eventually it will come for you. First they came for the black men, and I was silent, for I was not black or male...........
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Post by tittletag on Jul 27, 2016 13:23:26 GMT -5
Trump's campaign slogan: What the Fuck? Why Not? 'Do you feel lucky punk? Do you?' I gotsta say, not particularly.
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Post by mrobvious on Jul 27, 2016 13:27:32 GMT -5
We shouldn't be angry at Trump for trying to be coy about the whole e-mail thingy; it was the best Dennis Miller could come up with in 3 decades.
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 27, 2016 13:31:37 GMT -5
How come that it's only on the right that a bunch of white aging dudes try to explain why slavery was so innocuous and the slaves had it so good? From Bundy, the Duck Dynasty patriarch and to O'Reilly. And why are the 18 black delegates (yes, only 18) not asking themselves why they support this party that actually claim slaves had it good. The oppressed imitate the oppressors. Next question.
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Post by jarais on Jul 27, 2016 13:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by suen on Jul 27, 2016 13:32:49 GMT -5
I'm getting the idea that folks on this forum think that Trump is evil and dangerous, as in Hitler-level evil and dangerous. Is that the consensus here, basically, that Trump is as dangerous and evil as Hitler? SZ No one here to my memory has said he is "as dangerous and evil as Hitler." (As intelligent folks – most of the time – we really try to limit the Hitler references.) I don't even know that we've called him evil. That's a judgment on his interior life that we're not qualified to make. We do, however, see him, quite unabashedly, as dangerous. This is a man running for the highest office in the most powerful nation in the world, and he demonstrably does not understand how our government works. He doesn't understand the Constitution, the powers and limits of the very office he is seeking, how the judicial or legislative branches work … none of it. This is a man, who by his own statements, seems to believe he will have unlimited power to do whatever he wants, whether it involves trade or the military. He can declare people guilty at will and say they will be "locked up" under his administration. He can just order the military to start killing people at random. He can just call foreign countries and tell them to do what he wants or stop doing what he doesn't like, or he will cut off their trade with us. He can close our immigration to vast swaths of people simply because of their religion. That's not how this works. That's now any of this works.He does not believe in freedom of the press, yanking the credentials of news outlets that report on him in a way he doesn't like (aka, telling the truth about him). He has said he will expand the libel laws of this nation so that media who "attack" him will be silenced by those laws. He has said he will determine which NATO allies we support by virtue of who has paid their bills (protection money). Eastern Europe is terrified right now. He has declared himself "the law and order candidate," promising that violence on the streets will stop when he's president. This implies that either 1) he doesn't understand how local policing works, or 2) he's prepared to declare martial law. The law and order candidate doesn't know and doesn't care how law and order works in this country. And all this is just the tip of the iceberg. But it all comes from statements he has made. Repeatedly. This is a man who has said, in so many words, "I alone can fix it." This is a man who sees himself as able to control the military, silence the press, determine the laws, and strong-arm foreign governments. This is fascism. He doesn't have to be "as dangerous and evil as Hitler." He's dangerous in his own right. And antithetical to every principle and philosophy of this nation.
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Post by suen on Jul 27, 2016 13:33:26 GMT -5
Everyone has been taking the words of many politicians on all sides for a long time about the poor and they haven't delivered, so who knows maybe Trump just might. Trump's campaign slogan: What the Fuck? Why Not? "What's the Worst that Could Happen?"
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 27, 2016 13:34:09 GMT -5
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 27, 2016 13:34:58 GMT -5
I'm getting the idea that folks on this forum think that Trump is evil and dangerous, as in Hitler-level evil and dangerous. Is that the consensus here, basically, that Trump is as dangerous and evil as Hitler? SZ Let me pull out my Ouija board... Signs point to YES
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Post by mrobvious on Jul 27, 2016 13:37:39 GMT -5
I know. The candidate that lost gracefully bowed out for party unity after getting the best package he could out of it and that is some kind of beaten Boadicea paraded around after a failed revolt. Media is so infernally lame in this moment. The whole matter of fact surrounding a terrible candidate compared to the near uprising as they paint it at DNC is mind boggling.
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 27, 2016 13:39:39 GMT -5
I'm getting the idea that folks on this forum think that Trump is evil and dangerous, as in Hitler-level evil and dangerous. Is that the consensus here, basically, that Trump is as dangerous and evil as Hitler? SZ Let's dismiss an important narrative: Hitler was neither a unique evil or danger to the world. He wasn't even close to committing the most bloody genocide and he is far from the first to conquer other nations in his personal quest for power. His mentality was not dissimilar from many other brutal dictators who acted upon zealotic motivations to kill millions and expand their territory as far as possible - people who came before and after. Hitler's uniqueness was his unique position at the head of a major power that had the capacity and motivation to act in a recklessly destructive manner. That said, I do not see Trump as a zealotic despot on the same level as Hitler. I think his inclination towards despotic dictatorship exceeds those of Hitler - but the reality is that they are completely different categories of Dictator. I think Trump is a threat akin to a Duterte or al-Baghdadi in terms of his disrespect for humanity, his lust for power, and his unwillingness to be limited to such things as legal processes he doesn't understand anyway. They might use zealotted people to seek their own power, but their real motivation is power for the sake of power. He an egotist, a megalomaniac. And history is littered with the products of such men and it is never pretty. The sole difference is that America is a stable democracy with a lengthy history of such and a populace educated - arguably indoctrinated - with defending that principle and so there will be far more resistance in the form of people refusing his orders - I can't imagine Tianamen Square happening in America because I can't imagine any of the several layers of military command the order would route through not refusing. But that does little to comfort me. And the stories this week are about how there are truly no legal safeguards to prevent many actions I am terrified of Trump implementing. Hitler killed fewer people via genocide than who?? Does that include two atomic bombs?
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 27, 2016 13:42:54 GMT -5
You're confusing Nazism and Fascism. What is really confusing to a lot of people myself included is, Trump run TV show and has been in the public eye for years and years now and i think he has run before as a candidate and he's probably done many many interviews in his life with the media, but for some reason he's running this year and all of a sudden the media says he's Hitler and a Fascist. Very very interesting would you not say. The media didn't say he's treasonous, WE (minus you) are saying it.
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Post by suen on Jul 27, 2016 13:43:11 GMT -5
Let's dismiss an important narrative: Hitler was neither a unique evil or danger to the world. He wasn't even close to committing the most bloody genocide and he is far from the first to conquer other nations in his personal quest for power. His mentality was not dissimilar from many other brutal dictators who acted upon zealotic motivations to kill millions and expand their territory as far as possible - people who came before and after. Hitler's uniqueness was his unique position at the head of a major power that had the capacity and motivation to act in a recklessly destructive manner. That said, I do not see Trump as a zealotic despot on the same level as Hitler. I think his inclination towards despotic dictatorship exceeds those of Hitler - but the reality is that they are completely different categories of Dictator. I think Trump is a threat akin to a Duterte or al-Baghdadi in terms of his disrespect for humanity, his lust for power, and his unwillingness to be limited to such things as legal processes he doesn't understand anyway. They might use zealotted people to seek their own power, but their real motivation is power for the sake of power. He an egotist, a megalomaniac. And history is littered with the products of such men and it is never pretty. The sole difference is that America is a stable democracy with a lengthy history of such and a populace educated - arguably indoctrinated - with defending that principle and so there will be far more resistance in the form of people refusing his orders - I can't imagine Tianamen Square happening in America because I can't imagine any of the several layers of military command the order would route through not refusing. But that does little to comfort me. And the stories this week are about how there are truly no legal safeguards to prevent many actions I am terrified of Trump implementing. Hitler killed fewer people via genocide than who?? Does that include two atomic bombs? I'm not sure whether Stalin's actions count as genocide, but he is responsible for more deaths than Hitler.
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Post by tittletag on Jul 27, 2016 13:44:20 GMT -5
I'm getting the idea that folks on this forum think that Trump is evil and dangerous, as in Hitler-level evil and dangerous. Is that the consensus here, basically, that Trump is as dangerous and evil as Hitler? SZ No one here to my memory has said he is "as dangerous and evil as Hitler." (As intelligent folks – most of the time – we really try to limit the Hitler references.) I don't even know that we've called him evil. That's a judgment on his interior life that we're not qualified to make. We do, however, see him, quite unabashedly, as dangerous. This is a man running for the highest office in the most powerful nation in the world, and he demonstrably does not understand how our government works. He doesn't understand the Constitution, the powers and limits of the very office he is seeking, how the judicial or legislative branches work … none of it. This is a man, who by his own statements, seems to believe he will have unlimited power to do whatever he wants, whether it involves trade or the military. He can declare people guilty at will and say they will be "locked up" under his administration. He can just order the military to start killing people at random. He can just call foreign countries and tell them to do what he wants or stop doing what he doesn't like, or he will cut off their trade with us. He can close our immigration to vast swaths of people simply because of their religion. That's not how this works. That's now any of this works.He does not believe in freedom of the press, yanking the credentials of news outlets that report on him in a way he doesn't like (aka, telling the truth about him). He has said he will expand the libel laws of this nation so that media who "attack" him will be silenced by those laws. He has said he will determine which NATO allies we support by virtue of who has paid their bills (protection money). Eastern Europe is terrified right now. He has declared himself "the law and order candidate," promising that violence on the streets will stop when he's president. This implies that either 1) he doesn't understand how local policing works, or 2) he's prepared to declare national law. The law and order candidate doesn't know and doesn't care how law and order works in this country. And all this is just the tip of the iceberg. But it all comes from statements he has made. Repeatedly. This is a man who has said, in so many words, "I alone can fix it." This is a man who sees himself as able to control the military, silence the press, determine the laws, and strong-arm foreign governments. This is fascism. He doesn't have to be "as dangerous and evil as Hitler." He's dangerous in his own right. And antithetical to every principle and philosophy of this nation. Even on things we potentially agree with, like Trade Deals, there is no way to know what his version of better is and who benefits or even if he really means it. Things he says appeals to certain people but there is no evidence of what his convictions actually are. His track record is bad in every instance.
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Post by mrobvious on Jul 27, 2016 13:44:52 GMT -5
Hitler killed fewer people via genocide than who?? Does that include two atomic bombs? I'm not sure whether Stalin's actions count as genocide, but he is responsible for more deaths than Hitler. I think Ghengis Khan (as a percentage of populations) was even better at it.
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 27, 2016 13:50:46 GMT -5
Brexit < Trumpageddon
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Post by tittletag on Jul 27, 2016 13:50:58 GMT -5
Bernie think's Trump is "...worst candidate in modern history" Sure, but is he Hitler?
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Post by LA_Randy on Jul 27, 2016 13:53:41 GMT -5
Trump's campaign slogan: What the Fuck? Why Not? "What's the Worst that Could Happen?" Many a redneck has died after asking that question.
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Post by mrobvious on Jul 27, 2016 13:55:17 GMT -5
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Post by mrobvious on Jul 27, 2016 13:56:02 GMT -5
"What's the Worst that Could Happen?" Many a redneck has died after asking that question. And that is how we got the Darwin award.
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Post by oreo062200 on Jul 27, 2016 13:59:06 GMT -5
Their last thought as the blinding white flash engulfs them will be 'both sides'. "But Hillary's ema–" *boom* Sounds like he trigged WW3 with the liberals and the MSM with his comment about asking Russian to help find the missing emails from Hillary server today. I was laughing my you know what off. That was better then when Sanders supporters were yelling on the convention floor ''lock her up''.
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Post by tittletag on Jul 27, 2016 13:59:39 GMT -5
"What's the Worst that Could Happen?" Many a redneck has died after asking that question. Would there be a Darwin Award without them though?
MrObvi beat me too it. I blame slow typing skillz.
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