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Post by Outsider on Sept 19, 2019 5:32:43 GMT -5
I posted this is yesterdays thread as a reply to Wernie, who tried a gotcha moment. He's referring to a photo that showed up (by the conservatives) of Trudeau in black face in 2001. He's scheduled a press conference to apologize, and accept that it was inapprorpiate today (i think it's today). In any case, this is for Wernie (again) and anyone else who needs reminding:
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Post by Outsider on Sept 19, 2019 5:33:34 GMT -5
Whistleblower: Trump Is a National Security Threat Somebody please make it stop: The whistleblower complaint that has triggered a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trump’s communications with a foreign leader, according to two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter. Trump’s interaction with the foreign leader included a “promise” that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for the intelligence community, said the officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. I can’t tell you how much I would like to never write or hear the name Trump ever again. I mean, an intelligence official filing a whistleblower complaint against the president? That’s insane. And yet, here we are. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/09/whistleblower-trump-is-a-national-security-threat/?fbclid=IwAR2xzGYRmvVQSI6DUNjfewgLYt4FO14ULfwGwySV6hY9fFyWFmlr983CZo4
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Post by Outsider on Sept 19, 2019 5:34:48 GMT -5
Samantha Bee Lays Into Ted Cruz: ‘Shut the Fuck Up, Bitch!’ The “Full Frontal” host slammed Cruz for saying people should calm down about Kavanaugh: “As long as an alleged sexual assaulter is ruling our laws about my body, I remain vexed.” Samantha Bee began this week’s episode of Full Frontal by returning to a topic she probably hoped she would never have to discuss again: Brett Kavanaugh’s penis. Or as cable news has been calling it all week, his “genitalia.” “First off, this fucking sucks,” the host said. “Secondly, you're the news, just say penis. Why are you say saying ‘genitalia?’ That sounds like 20 dicks. It sounds like a rat king of dicks.” After new allegations against the Supreme Court Justice emerged in the new book, The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation, this past week, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) went on ABC’s This Week to dismiss any and all concerns about his behavior. “At the end of the day, the American people made a judgment that the evidence wasn't there, the corroboration wasn't there,” Cruz told George Stephanopoulos, adding, “At some point, they just have to let the anger go and recognize that the democratic process actually moves on. And I think it's time for them to do that.” “Oh, should I let the anger go? Should I calm down? Should I smile more?” a furious Bee asked Cruz. “Shut the fuck up, bitch!” “The American people didn't get to make a judgment on this,” she continued. “The Senate did and they decided not to do a proper investigation. So yeah, as long as an alleged sexual assaulter is ruling our laws about my body, I remain vexed.” Bee also addressed the controversy over a New York Times excerpt from the new book that initially left out the detail that friends of Kavanaugh’s accuser say she did not remember the incident. Along with the “god-awful” tweet that began with “Having a penis thrust in your face at a drunken dorm party may seem like harmless fun...” the host said, “These were huge fuck-ups for The New York Times.” But she lamented the fact that those “fuck-ups” allowed Fox News to “deflect, focusing on editorial errors instead of the information.” “Interesting that Fox & Friends believes the victim who doesn't remember, but not the ones who do,” Bee said. “Though, to be fair, I can't recall Fox & Friends ever doing anything in good faith or anything good at all, except that one time Tucker Carlson fell asleep on air.” She added, “I’ve always wondered how Tucker Carlson sleeps and the answer is on television.” For more, listen to Samantha Bee on The Last Laugh podcast below: www.thedailybeast.com/samantha-bee-rips-into-ted-cruz-for-defending-brett-kavanaugh-shut-the-fuck-up-bitch?via=FB_Page&source=TDB&fbclid=IwAR3a1_C8ogzlXw6skvxCTfV3OALFgNM4lrZs0EfNTC-zwoMSJ3vCwlqr_9Y
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Post by Outsider on Sept 19, 2019 5:36:59 GMT -5
Corey Lewandowski's stonewall campaign finally crumbles: Are impeachment counts coming? Trump's onetime campaign manager strutted and preened — and then got dismantled by the Democrats' lawyer On Tuesday the House Judiciary Committee held the first public hearing to be billed as part of an "impeachment inquiry." The committee called former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and former White House aides Rob Porter and Rick Dearborn to testify about various episodes in the Mueller report. Unfortunately, if unsurprisingly, the White House blocked the appearances of Porter and Dearborn, saying they were "absolutely immune" from congressional testimony, a stonewalling tactic they have used with other current and former staffers who have been called to testify before Congress. That left Lewandowski. The fact that he had never been employed by the administration forced the White House to get creative with their interference. Executive branch officials ended up informing the committee that he was only authorized to speak about what was specifically in the Mueller peport and nothing else. The White House has no authority to muzzle a private citizen who is under subpoena to appear before Congress, but Lewandowski was more than happy to follow orders. The hearing started out rough. Lewandowski swaggered into the room from the Republican side. Two White House lawyers ostentatiously sat right behind him. There was no question about his strategy for the hearing: Hail Trump, mock the process, treat the Democratic members like lackeys and waste as much time as possible playing dumb about the Mueller report. He was quite successful, as far as it went. The committee did the usual five-minute round robin with the Republicans feeding him softballs and Democrats being irritated and flummoxed by Lewandowski's lack of cooperation and aggressive, smug attitude. (Anyone who has ever had to deal with a sarcastic, obstreperous teenager could certainly relate.) He put on quite a performance, refusing to answer any questions without a direct citation from the report. When he was provided with a copy, he demanded that he be directed exactly to the page and sentence in question, at which point he would finally agree that he had indeed said what it said he had said. It was absurd. The pundits all proclaimed the first session to be a disaster, with Lewandowski declared the winner by TKO. But they may have been missing some of the forest for the trees. The committee got Lewandowski on record repeatedly saying that Mueller's report was accurate. And it's important to acknowledge just what it was that he was confirming — that the president of the United States had told him to secretly inform former Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reverse his recusal on the Russia investigation, and then to limit it only to future elections. It was pretty obvious that Trump would not have tasked his former campaign manager with this mission, rather than some other member of his staff, if he hadn't wanted it to be kept off the record. His White House counsel, Don McGahn, had already made it clear that this wasn't kosher. Lewandowski put his notes in a safe and didn't follow through, telling the committee he thought it was more important for him to go on vacation with his kids. More likely he realized he was being dragged into something potentially illegal and hoped Trump would forget about it. He didn't. At that point, Lewandowski handed off the message to Rick Dearborn who has claimed he never spoke to Sessions about it. This was one of the 10 events in the Mueller report that most legal observers regard as prima facie evidence of President Trump obstructing justice. So despite the circus theatrics, it was fruitful to have Lewandowski on the record confirming all those details. They can clean it all up in a written article of impeachment. As it turns out, though, the morning session with all the committee members having their say was just the warm-up act. In its vote last week, the committee had passed a rule allowing staff counsel to pose questions for half an hour in these public impeachment hearings. Barry Berke, a lawyer for the Democratic members, then took over the hearing and it was like night and day. Most of the press has focused on the moment when Berke cornered Lewandowski by showing that he lied repeatedly on television about this incident and his interactions with the Mueller team. After much hemming and hawing his explanation was "I have no obligation to be honest with the media because they are just as dishonest as everybody else." (Who else? ) But Berke teased out another colorful detail that has passed unnoticed. Despite the White House order that Lewandowski shouldn't speak of any conversations with the president other than those specifically referenced in the Mueller report, it turns out that he has written a couple of books one of which is called "Let Trump Be Trump: The Inside Story of His Rise to the Presidency." It features many conversations with the president, which the White House apparently had no objections to publishing. One of the anecdotes has Trump suggesting to Lewandowski that he might join the administration at the level of Jared Kushner to run the Russia 2016 election interference investigation. As Berke went on with his relentless fusillade of questions, Lewandowski became increasingly distressed. He had repeatedly claimed that he had never read the Mueller report. As Berke's 30 minutes were almost done, he asked Lewandowski whether he took the report lightly, reminding him that he had been autographing copies of the report just last week, while joking that he couldn't sign every page where his name appeared because there were too many of them. Lewandowski became upset and said: I'm outraged at your characterization of my statements. Never have I said that, never have I called into question the validity of the Mueller Report or alluded to the fact that I wanted Russia to interfere ... Every time one of the principal figures confirms the Mueller report, another impeachment count gets its wings. Whereas Lewandowski had been cocky and derisive toward the members in the early session, he was crumbling after 30 minutes of solid questioning designed to show him as the weasel he is. It was the most effective line of questioning we've seen in a hearing in ages and it shows how important it is that Democrats allow staff lawyers to interrogate the witnesses rather than having members of Congress get cut off after five minutes, only to move on to another questioner from the other side and a completely different subject. If you have 30 minutes to spare, give it a look: Judiciary Committee chair Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., reminded Lewandowski that his refusal to answer questions was obstructing legitimate oversight of the president and reminded him "that Article 3 of the impeachment against President Nixon was based on obstruction of Congress." Trump is committing new impeachable offenses every day, not the least of which is this epic stonewall. www.salon.com/2019/09/18/corey-lewandowskis-stonewall-campaign-finally-crumbles-are-impeachment-counts-coming/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:06:39 GMT -5
I posted this is yesterdays thread as a reply to Wernie, who tried a gotcha moment. He's referring to a photo that showed up (by the conservatives) of Trudeau in black face in 2001. He's scheduled a press conference to apologize, and accept that it was inapprorpiate today (i think it's today). In any case, this is for Wernie (again) and anyone else who needs reminding:
Same thing for a government/"society" being blamed and constantly bashed for something that their predecessors did decades or centuries earlier. Apologies needed, then moving on with constructive steps and plans instead of "but but but".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:09:20 GMT -5
Hello From the Year 2050. We Avoided the Worst of Climate Change — But Everything Is Different
Let’s imagine for a moment that we’ve reached the middle of the century. It’s 2050, and we have a moment to reflect—the climate fight remains the consuming battle of our age, but its most intense phase may be in our rearview mirror. And so we can look back to see how we might have managed to dramatically change our society and economy. We had no other choice.
There was a point after 2020 when we began to collectively realize a few basic things.
One, we weren’t getting out of this unscathed. Climate change, even in its early stages, had begun to hurt: watching a California city literally called Paradise turn into hell inside of two hours made it clear that all Americans were at risk. When you breathe wildfire smoke half the summer in your Silicon Valley fortress, or struggle to find insurance for your Florida beach house, doubt creeps in even for those who imagined they were immune.
Two, there were actually some solutions. By 2020, renewable energy was the cheapest way to generate electricity around the planet—in fact, the cheapest way there ever had been. The engineers had done their job, taking sun and wind from quirky backyard DIY projects to cutting-edge technology. Batteries had plummeted down the same cost curve as renewable energy, so the fact that the sun went down at night no longer mattered quite so much—you could store its rays to use later.
And the third realization? People began to understand that the biggest reason we weren’t making full, fast use of these new technologies was the political power of the fossil-fuel industry. Investigative journalists had exposed its three-decade campaign of denial and disinformation, and attorneys general and plaintiffs’ lawyers were beginning to pick them apart. And just in time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:10:39 GMT -5
The High-Risk Strategy That Could Hand Democrats the White House
The 2016 election hinged on three states: Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. They were worth 46 electoral votes, and went to President Trump by a combined 77,744 ballots. These three states are so often mentioned in the same sentence as one monolithic bloc of disappointment for Democrats that we really ought to start calling them “Pennsylconsigan.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:31:23 GMT -5
Because bribes in the US are legal, they're called 'campaign donations'.
How Energy Companies Corrupt State Politics
Virginia's Dominion Energy gives generously to candidates to get what it wants. But a political revolt is brewing.
In 2017, a coalition of Democratic activists and party leaders led a “Blue Wave” in Virginia, flipping 15 Republican-held House seats and becoming a vessel of hope for Democrats nationwide. This year, every seat in the Virginia House of Delegates is an open race, and Democrats have a shot at taking control of the state Senate. In doing so, they would have a chance not just to weigh in on a redistricting process that could establish partisan political advantage for the next decade, but also to make serious strides on an issue they’ve repeatedly been frustrated on at the national level: climate change.
Energy policy is often thought of as a national issue, rather than a state one. But because states partially regulate energy companies, climate activists have zeroed in on state governments as venues where they must make reforms soon. The complicating factor is the amount of money energy companies spend on state politics.
For years, across the country, cash-strapped state Democratic parties have felt they needed companies like Dominion Energy, which serves Virginia, West Virginia, and the Carolinas as well as Utah, Ohio, Idaho, and Wyoming. Virginia’s Democratic Minority Leader Dick Saslaw sits on a committee responsible for evaluating energy-related bills and has accepted at least $363,000 from Dominion during his tenure as an elected official. Now, as Democratic parties try to rebuild themselves and regain lost ground, new leaders and candidates are trying to find ways to reconcile their need for huge sums of cash to compete in ever-more expensive elections with a growing demand to cut ties with corporate patrons. In Virginia, the fissure is exemplified by candidates’ stances towards Dominion, which has influenced, if not set, the state’s energy policy for decades.
In 2017, the Virginia gubernatorial Democratic primary candidates were Ralph Northam, who to date has received at least $206,751 from Dominion Energy, and former Congressman Tom Perriello, who loudly refused Dominion donations and made opposing their influence one of the central issues of his campaign. That year the group Activate Virginia circulated a pledge asking candidates not to accept Dominion money. Debra Rodman, an associate professor of sociology at Randolph Macon who was running for House District 73, was among the assembly candidates who campaigned on her promise to reject Dominion money. “I was informed by my voters, honestly,” Rodman said. “It’s not just about energy but taking a strong stance on campaign finance reform.” She believes that the new candidates who declined Dominion money were willing to do so because they were “all regular working people who understand what living day-to-day is like. I think we really came into this becoming elected officials with a perspective of wanting to represent the people.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:33:22 GMT -5
Take a Look: How Brexit Could Break Britain’s Food Chain
Getting a tomato to Britain from Sicily involves dozens of people, several trucks and two boats. But Brexit uncertainty means fresh food supplies are at risk.
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Post by Outsider on Sept 19, 2019 6:35:56 GMT -5
I posted this is yesterdays thread as a reply to Wernie, who tried a gotcha moment. He's referring to a photo that showed up (by the conservatives) of Trudeau in black face in 2001. He's scheduled a press conference to apologize, and accept that it was inapprorpiate today (i think it's today). In any case, this is for Wernie (again) and anyone else who needs reminding: Same thing for a government/"society" being blamed and constantly bashed for something that their predecessors did decades or centuries earlier. Apologies needed, then moving on with constructive steps and plans instead of "but but but".
I just read that he apologized yesterday. He said sorry, i shouldn't have done it. He was asked if he thought it was racist; he said at the time he didn't, but now does and is sorry he did it. In context, he was a teacher at the school and it was an Arabian Nights themed party, hence his costume. But he owned it, offered no rationalization and apologized. Contrast that with Wernie's idol, or even the conservative leader in Canada.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:50:03 GMT -5
Same thing for a government/"society" being blamed and constantly bashed for something that their predecessors did decades or centuries earlier. Apologies needed, then moving on with constructive steps and plans instead of "but but but".
I just read that he apologized yesterday. He said sorry, i shouldn't have done it. He was asked if he thought it was racist; he said at the time he didn't, but now does and is sorry he did it. In context, he was a teacher at the school and it was an Arabian Nights themed party, hence his costume. But he owned it, offered no rationalization and apologized. Contrast that with Wernie's idol, or even the conservative leader in Canada.
He's fine and moving on. People (not you, the media etc) are making it too much of a big deal. People, governments, society can't be indefinitely bashed for something done years, decades or centuries ago. Learning from the past - absolutely. Keep victimizing others/ones selves - stupid.
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Post by LA_Randy on Sept 19, 2019 7:53:56 GMT -5
Netanyahu is trying to cling to power, but his central rival isn’t having it
Benny Gantz rejects Benjamin Netanyahu’s offer of a unity government, saying that he will not enter into any coalition led by an Israeli premier facing corruption charges. Bibi, looking increasingly desperate, says he is “surprised and disappointed”. Oh I’m sure you are, Bibi. —@jfxm
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Post by LA_Randy on Sept 19, 2019 7:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by LA_Randy on Sept 19, 2019 7:59:49 GMT -5
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Post by foggyisback on Sept 19, 2019 8:02:50 GMT -5
I posted this is yesterdays thread as a reply to Wernie, who tried a gotcha moment. He's referring to a photo that showed up (by the conservatives) of Trudeau in black face in 2001. He's scheduled a press conference to apologize, and accept that it was inapprorpiate today (i think it's today). In any case, this is for Wernie (again) and anyone else who needs reminding: One US morning show slammed JT on it though, citing his reelection battle to boot. Ironic that the same show is owned by the same company that made the Aladdin movie.
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Post by LA_Randy on Sept 19, 2019 8:06:47 GMT -5
FOX POLL: DEMOCRATIC VOTER GROUPS ARE VERY EAGER TO VOTE IN 2020 A Fox News poll released last night is the latest survey to show all the leading Democrats beating President Trump nationwide: But there's even better news when you dig into the numbers. The survey tells us that voters seem quite eager to vote next year. In 2015, the "Extremely" number was never higher than 32% -- in fact, the number was never higher than 49% during the entire election year of 2016. But it's the crosstabs that are the best news for the Democrats: 61% of women are extremely interested in the election, as opposed to 57% of men. Among non-white women, 65% are extremely interested. For Democrats, the "extremely interested" number is 65% (the GOP number is 60%). Democratic women: 67%. Suburban women: 66%. (Rural whites: 53%.) Clinton voters 68%, Trump voters 61%. Liberals 70%, conservatives 54%. Democratic primary voters: 67%. I know -- it's one poll. Polling subsamples have huge margins of error. Still, these are good numbers. It looks as if the right groups are pumped up. In a follow-up question, in which 62% of respondents say they're "extremely" motivated to vote in the 2020 presidential election, there are similar good numbers in the subsamples: women 65% (men 59%); non-white women 69%; Democrats 69% (Republicans 63%); Democratic women 73%; suburban women 67%; Clinton voters 72%; liberals 73% (conservatives 59%). This is good news. Oh, and one more thing: Respondents are asked how they feel about "changing the health care system so that every American can buy into Medicare if they want to." This is very popular -- 68% are in favor, 24% opposed. But a complete switchover to Medicare for All ("Getting rid of private health insurance and moving to a government-run health care system for everyone") isn't unpopular -- it's at parity: 46% in favor, 48% opposed. If there's more polling like this, it might be a sign that this position, shared by Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, isn't the electoral millstone a lot of observers think it is. And a public option, Joe Biden's position, is very popular. nomoremister.blogspot.com/2019/09/fox-poll-democratic-voter-groups-are.html
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Post by foggyisback on Sept 19, 2019 8:19:23 GMT -5
Sent at 9:19:19 on 9/19/19 Happy Palindrome Day!
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Post by forgottenlord on Sept 19, 2019 8:23:24 GMT -5
Here's the thing about Trudeau: - Blackface is not the most known concept in Canada. I didn't hear about it until I started following American news on Swampland. With exception to one scandal with a bar's Halloween costume incident in Ontario, this would be the first story in Canada about Blackface I've seen. - Trudeau's got an excellent record on racism. Trudeau has made considerable efforts to be woke and spent a tremendous amount of effort working on the First Nations portfolio, the corner of Canada that has the most issues with racism. - Scheer scares the fuck out of minorities. My mom, Japanese Canadian, is terrified of Scheer. Scheer's predecessor did his uptmost to ignore First Nations issues and directly undermine the Chiefs.
We are defined by a lot of things and we are insulated from criticism by demonstrating we are better than our worst moments. This is a bad look for Trudeau. This is going to be a bad week for Trudeau. But he has a lot of things that insulate him from this being the deciding factor.
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Post by LA_Randy on Sept 19, 2019 8:31:09 GMT -5
Definitely the right question to be asking about this
Fox & Friends covered WaPo’s whistleblower bombshell once this morning. Steve Doocy’s pressing question: “How’d that wind up on the front page of The Washington Post?” —@brianstelter
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Post by LA_Randy on Sept 19, 2019 8:46:00 GMT -5
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Post by oreo062200 on Sept 19, 2019 8:52:28 GMT -5
I posted this is yesterdays thread as a reply to Wernie, who tried a gotcha moment. He's referring to a photo that showed up (by the conservatives) of Trudeau in black face in 2001. He's scheduled a press conference to apologize, and accept that it was inapprorpiate today (i think it's today). In any case, this is for Wernie (again) and anyone else who needs reminding: I'm not sure you would be giving a heartfelt apologize if it was a Republican. I think you folks would be calling for the conservative to resign the same day. Has the Democrats and the American Media apologized to Trump and his family yet, for all the lies about him being a traitor and a Russian asset Outsider? So apologizes run both ways and it seems your side of politics has a lot of catching up to do with regards to that. Same goes for SC justice Kavanaugh. Ran totally false and slanderous things without no factual evidence to back it up, and now OMG we have to forgive Justin Trudeau don't make me laugh. I say resign Trudeau or impeach him [ if your constitution calls for that]. Just as Democrats and the media is calling for with BK.
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Post by LA_Randy on Sept 19, 2019 9:02:14 GMT -5
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Post by forgottenlord on Sept 19, 2019 9:15:42 GMT -5
I posted this is yesterdays thread as a reply to Wernie, who tried a gotcha moment. He's referring to a photo that showed up (by the conservatives) of Trudeau in black face in 2001. He's scheduled a press conference to apologize, and accept that it was inapprorpiate today (i think it's today). In any case, this is for Wernie (again) and anyone else who needs reminding: I'm not sure you would be giving a heartfelt apologize if it was a Republican. I think you folks would be calling for the conservative to resign the same day. Has the Democrats and the American Media apologized to Trump and his family yet, for all the lies about him being a traitor and a Russian asset Outsider? So apologizes run both ways and it seems your side of politics has a lot of catching up to do with regards to that. Same goes for SC justice Kavanaugh. Ran totally false and slanderous things without no factual evidence to back it up, and now OMG we have to forgive Justin Trudeau don't make me laugh. I say resign Trudeau or impeach him [ if your constitution calls for that]. Just as Democrats and the media is calling for with BK.We're having an election right now. This will be decided in the next month That said, Impeachment is nonsensical. Impeachment is oversight of the legislative branch over the executive branch. Trudeau is the head of the legislative branch. He's the defacto head of the executive branch as well, but Impeachment is a statement of the Legislative Branch that a member of executive branch has failed in his duty and should be removed. It makes no sense for Trudeau to censure himself. No, the correct concept is loss of Confidence - a normal concept in parliamentary systems and there is an equivalent in the US. The standard for this is much lower - instead of being for "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" (which, BTW, how the fuck does Blackface 15 years before becoming a politician meet that standard?), it's for "we no longer have faith that you can govern effectively".
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Post by forgottenlord on Sept 19, 2019 9:18:26 GMT -5
There's now a third incident. Someone is making sure to hold on to the news cycle by just slowly letting these things out.
I assume it's gotta be Scheer's operation that's releasing it but I'm really wondering how Harper never had this stuff sitting in his back pocket.
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Post by oreo062200 on Sept 19, 2019 9:25:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure you would be giving a heartfelt apologize if it was a Republican. I think you folks would be calling for the conservative to resign the same day. Has the Democrats and the American Media apologized to Trump and his family yet, for all the lies about him being a traitor and a Russian asset Outsider? So apologizes run both ways and it seems your side of politics has a lot of catching up to do with regards to that. Same goes for SC justice Kavanaugh. Ran totally false and slanderous things without no factual evidence to back it up, and now OMG we have to forgive Justin Trudeau don't make me laugh. I say resign Trudeau or impeach him [ if your constitution calls for that]. Just as Democrats and the media is calling for with BK.We're having an election right now. This will be decided in the next month That said, Impeachment is nonsensical. Impeachment is oversight of the legislative branch over the executive branch. Trudeau is the head of the legislative branch. He's the defacto head of the executive branch as well, but Impeachment is a statement of the Legislative Branch that a member of executive branch has failed in his duty and should be removed, it makes no sense for Trudeau to censure himself. No, the correct concept is loss of Confidence - a normal concept in parliamentary systems and there is an equivalent in the US. The standard for this is much lower - instead of being for "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" (which, BTW, how the fuck does Blackface 15 years before becoming a politician meet that standard?), it's for "we no longer have faith that you can govern effectively". Where has SC justice Kavanaugh failed in his duties? And where has President Trump failed in his duties as well? Oh I forgot, he beat Hillary in 2016. Beating Hillary rises to high crimes and misdemeanors also.
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Post by forgottenlord on Sept 19, 2019 9:43:34 GMT -5
We're having an election right now. This will be decided in the next month That said, Impeachment is nonsensical. Impeachment is oversight of the legislative branch over the executive branch. Trudeau is the head of the legislative branch. He's the defacto head of the executive branch as well, but Impeachment is a statement of the Legislative Branch that a member of executive branch has failed in his duty and should be removed, it makes no sense for Trudeau to censure himself. No, the correct concept is loss of Confidence - a normal concept in parliamentary systems and there is an equivalent in the US. The standard for this is much lower - instead of being for "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" (which, BTW, how the fuck does Blackface 15 years before becoming a politician meet that standard?), it's for "we no longer have faith that you can govern effectively". Where has SC justice Kavanaugh failed in his duties? And where has President Trump failed in his duties as well? Oh I forgot, he beat Hillary in 2016. Beating Hillary rises to high crimes and misdemeanors also. Trump: Obstruction of Justice: multiple incidents. Violations of the Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution: multiple incidents Kavanaugh: Lying under oath during his confirmation hearings, though I'm generally cooler to the argument that he should be impeached as it has nothing to do with his duties as US Supreme Court Justice or any of the roles he held that led to his appointment. The main thing that bothers me is his refusal to take responsibility for past crimes rather than that he committed them. EDIT: Also, I feel like Kavanaugh was confirmed in spite of everyone knowing he was absolutely lying his ass off to a nonsensical degree. There is no way a guy with his history has *never* been blackout drunk and is able to perfectly clearly remember everything he did at every party and there's no way Kavanaugh doesn't know that and there's no way Flake didn't know that.
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Post by phillippatUK on Sept 19, 2019 10:04:22 GMT -5
God hifternun! hehe:
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Post by oreo062200 on Sept 19, 2019 10:24:14 GMT -5
Where has SC justice Kavanaugh failed in his duties? And where has President Trump failed in his duties as well? Oh I forgot, he beat Hillary in 2016. Beating Hillary rises to high crimes and misdemeanors also. Trump: Obstruction of Justice: multiple incidents. Violations of the Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution: multiple incidents Kavanaugh: Lying under oath during his confirmation hearings, though I'm generally cooler to the argument that he should be impeached as it has nothing to do with his duties as US Supreme Court Justice or any of the roles he held that led to his appointment. The main thing that bothers me is his refusal to take responsibility for past crimes rather than that he committed them. EDIT: Also, I feel like Kavanaugh was confirmed in spite of everyone knowing he was absolutely lying his ass off to a nonsensical degree. There is no way a guy with his history has *never* been blackout drunk and is able to perfectly clearly remember everything he did at every party and there's no way Kavanaugh doesn't know that and there's no way Flake didn't know that. This is where you are wrong. What kind of ''history'' does he have? I guess you are going by all the lies that have been told about him, by all those women. Not ONE woman NOT one showed a ounce of factual evidence to back up any of their claims. And then, you want to say how could anyone be blackout drunk and is perfectly able to remember everything he did. But on the other hand, you are telling me that you believe all those woman that came forward which happened over 35 years ago. Some don't even remember how they got to the party or got home after. Sorry, having a hard time believing your side of the story on how it went down. Edit; what past crimes are you talking about?
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Post by Outsider on Sept 19, 2019 10:48:01 GMT -5
There's now a third incident. Someone is making sure to hold on to the news cycle by just slowly letting these things out. I assume it's gotta be Scheer's operation that's releasing it but I'm really wondering how Harper never had this stuff sitting in his back pocket. I don't think it is going to matter much. 1) people who weren't going to vote for the libs still won't; this doesn't move the needle. 2) JT got in front of it, owned it, apologized for it, admitted that it was wrong, and basically took all the gas out of the story. That there are more pics just underscores the changes in our society. Again, see point 1. 3) his record since (as you pointed out) lends credence to the idea that he is not racist, it was just a stupid thing to do. See point 2. 4) By contrast, Sheerer has not renounced his comments from 2008, hasn't taken part in any pride parades and is the embodiment of trying to practice Trump like politics up here. Aside from (possibly) Alberta, no one else will get behind that kind of thing. Again, see point 1 for contrast. 5) while i see some news about this, ironically, it is bigger news in the US. Which probably means that conservatives are just trying to amp up derision against liberals. Again. Still. Bottom line is this: Canadians aren't worried about what JT will do, even if they think he is an idiot. But Canadians are very much against losing rights and freedoms, which the conservatives are promising (albeit by lack of admission)
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Post by LA_Randy on Sept 19, 2019 10:51:53 GMT -5
Trump: Obstruction of Justice: multiple incidents. Violations of the Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution: multiple incidents Kavanaugh: Lying under oath during his confirmation hearings, though I'm generally cooler to the argument that he should be impeached as it has nothing to do with his duties as US Supreme Court Justice or any of the roles he held that led to his appointment. The main thing that bothers me is his refusal to take responsibility for past crimes rather than that he committed them. EDIT: Also, I feel like Kavanaugh was confirmed in spite of everyone knowing he was absolutely lying his ass off to a nonsensical degree. There is no way a guy with his history has *never* been blackout drunk and is able to perfectly clearly remember everything he did at every party and there's no way Kavanaugh doesn't know that and there's no way Flake didn't know that. This is where you are wrong. What kind of ''history'' does he have? I guess you are going by all the lies that have been told about him, by all those women. Not ONE woman NOT one showed a ounce of factual evidence to back up any of their claims. And then, you want to say how could anyone be blackout drunk and is perfectly able to remember everything he did. But on the other hand, you are telling me that you believe all those woman that came forward which happened over 35 years ago. Some don't even remember how they got to the party or got home after. Sorry, having a hard time believing your side of the story on how it went down. Edit; what past crimes are you talking about? “Do you solemnly (swear/affirm) that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, (so help you God/under pains and penalties of perjury)?” Kavanaugh lies under oath.
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