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Post by forgottenlord on Jul 17, 2016 10:05:29 GMT -5
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Post by forgottenlord on Jul 17, 2016 10:08:23 GMT -5
TTICD had cold feet apparently in choosing Pence. First major decision and he can't handle it. Part of me reads it as "this wasn't his choice". I think Manafort pushed him to taking Pence and Trump went along with it but Pence just isn't the kind of guy Trump wants. |
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Post by forgottenlord on Jul 17, 2016 10:09:53 GMT -5
Comments? No ‘Smoking Gun’ Tying Saudi Arabia to 9/11 Attacks in Secret 28 Pages
The long-secret “28 pages” from a 14-year-old congressional inquiry into Saudi Arabia’s role in the 9/11 attacks released Friday contains a litany of clues, but no hard evidence, of any role played by the kingdom in the plot, which killed nearly 3,000 people.time.com/4408667/911-report-28-pages-classified-saudi-arabia/?xid=homepageWhat's fascinating is that Obama released it. I think he was taking a shot at the Saudis probably because their new King has been decidedly less friendly with the US. |
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Post by forgottenlord on Jul 17, 2016 10:12:10 GMT -5
TrumPence had to change its logo. The joke got too out of control. It climaxed? |
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Post by forgottenlord on Jul 17, 2016 10:14:18 GMT -5
Go check out the front page of the Drudge Report or at www. mirror.co.uk and see what the President of Turkey is doing to the prisoners of the failed coup. It is very similar to what GWB got racked under the coals for at Abu Ghraib by the Democrats and the media and Obama says he supports this government. He better think again. Dude, we support the fucking Saudis, arguably the second most brutally repressive regime in the world |
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Post by LA_Randy on Jul 17, 2016 11:07:30 GMT -5
Go check out the front page of the Drudge Report or at www. mirror.co.uk and see what the President of Turkey is doing to the prisoners of the failed coup. It is very similar to what GWB got racked under the coals for at Abu Ghraib by the Democrats and the media and Obama says he supports this government. He better think again. Dude, we support the fucking Saudis, arguably the second most brutally repressive regime in the world Not sure of oreo's point here, it being wrong to abuse prisoners in either case. I guess it is lost on him that republicans supported Bush and now they have elected Trump as their nominee. A man who has said that torture should be brought back, something the majority of Democrats are against in any case. |
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Post by oreo062200 on Jul 17, 2016 11:42:29 GMT -5
3 more police officers ambushed and killed and 7 wounded in La Bamba home state of Louisiana.
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Post by roknsteve on Jul 17, 2016 11:52:41 GMT -5
3 more police officers ambushed and killed and 7 wounded in La Bamba home state of Louisiana. OreoReport: Open up your Christian book where it says, "You Reap What You Sow." You keep shooting people without reason and soon they start shooting back. The Police do have Tasers but it seems they'd rather murder people of all races. Now go back to your Daddy Drudge for your daily sludge. |
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Post by LA_Randy on Jul 17, 2016 11:52:47 GMT -5
3 more police officers ambushed and killed and 7 wounded in La Bamba home state of Louisiana. Yes, unfortunately there are bad people in every state. |
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Post by roknsteve on Jul 17, 2016 12:03:26 GMT -5
3 more police officers ambushed and killed and 7 wounded in La Bamba home state of Louisiana. Yes, unfortunately there are bad people in every state. Oreo talks like it's all our fault if someone shoots the Police in our home states. But if the Police shoot someone he acts like it's all good. He's one sick puppy. |
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Post by oreo062200 on Jul 17, 2016 12:13:57 GMT -5
3 more police officers ambushed and killed and 7 wounded in La Bamba home state of Louisiana. OreoReport: Open up your Christian book where it says, "You Reap What You Sow." You keep shooting people without reason and soon they start shooting back. The Police do have Tasers but it seems they'd rather murder people of all races. Now go back to your Daddy Drudge for your daily sludge. So the StevieReport says 2 die and in return we kill 8 of you. Is this the America we all dreamed about 8 years ago when 65 million went to the polls. We need to put America in one big time machine and zoom us back before 2007 where America was a safer place to live. And btw, i thought you were going on vacation? #BLUELIVESMATTER as well as #ALLLIVESMATTER |
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Post by oreo062200 on Jul 17, 2016 12:16:53 GMT -5
Yes, unfortunately there are bad people in every state. Oreo talks like it's all our fault if someone shoots the Police in our home states. But if the Police shoot someone he acts like it's all good. He's one sick puppy. Did i say ''you reap what you sow'' no, you did. So it sounds like you're ''gleeful '' not me you sick puppy. |
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Post by roknsteve on Jul 17, 2016 12:20:07 GMT -5
100 Reasons Why Climate Change is Natural.
(2) Man made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history. European foundation, 2009
I'm going on vacation this coming week so I'll be posting these when I get back.
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Post by LA_Randy on Jul 17, 2016 12:36:53 GMT -5
OreoReport: Open up your Christian book where it says, "You Reap What You Sow." You keep shooting people without reason and soon they start shooting back. The Police do have Tasers but it seems they'd rather murder people of all races. Now go back to your Daddy Drudge for your daily sludge. So the StevieReport says 2 die and in return we kill 8 of you. Is this the America we all dreamed about 8 years ago when 65 million went to the polls. We need to put America in one big time machine and zoom us back before 2007 where America was a safer place to live. And btw, i thought you were going on vacation? #BLUELIVESMATTER as well as #ALLLIVESMATTER As usual you are wrong. Statistically speaking 2007 was far worse for law enforcement officers. www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.htmlWho was president then? |
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Post by forgottenlord on Jul 17, 2016 12:38:53 GMT -5
100 Reasons Why Climate Change is Natural. (2) Man made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history. European foundation, 2009 I'm going on vacation this coming week so I'll be posting these when I get back. But the Earth has some ability to absorb carbon dioxide over time - the primary method being photosynthesis which takes the carbon dioxide and some water, converts it into oxygen and glucose. And while most of that glucose gets used by various animals for consumption, a gigantic percentage of it ends up as dead plant material that collects in the Earth in the form of carbon-based fuels such as coal and oil - which we're now burning up. As such, the carbon dioxide that actively sits in the atmosphere stays within a specific band (which admittedly we're still within) and in the more recent history - really since the end of the Cretaceous era - the carbon dioxide levels have trended downward. So lets look at more recent history. Before the industrial revolution, the Earth's atmosphere was approximately 270ppm carbon dioxide - a number that in the historically tiny time period of human history, was approximately consistent as its a number that normally doesn't move quickly with shifts measured more on the 10,000 or 100,000 year scale - so human history basically fits into one notch in that time frame. Today, the Earth's atmosphere is approximately 400 ppm. Each year, the human race pumps out enough carbon dioxide to add 2ppm of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. This is measurable. It is calculatable. 2ppm is tiny on the scale of 6.4 billion years - that stat is absolutely correct about that - but it isn't about what the impact is over the course of Earth's history, it's about what the impact is over the course of today. Consider this. If I put a quarter on your arm and pressed down on it, you wouldn't really think about it. But if I put a needle on your arm and pressed down, it would pierce your skin. Why? Because surface area. Even though the quarter weighs a bit more, the fact that its spread out over a large area means that the only thing it does is annoy you. The needle has so little surface area that it isn't being stopped and does some damage. Sure, in the grand scheme of the human body, it doesn't do a heck of a lot of damage - no serious person says that our actions will destroy the Earth. But to those blood cells where that needle broke through, they're no longer in the body - for them, it's a huge deal. EDIT: BTW, 0.00022% means we're producing about the equivalent of 14000 years worth of carbon dioxide in under 200. |
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Post by forgottenlord on Jul 17, 2016 12:39:25 GMT -5
OreoReport: Open up your Christian book where it says, "You Reap What You Sow." You keep shooting people without reason and soon they start shooting back. The Police do have Tasers but it seems they'd rather murder people of all races. Now go back to your Daddy Drudge for your daily sludge. So the StevieReport says 2 die and in return we kill 8 of you. Is this the America we all dreamed about 8 years ago when 65 million went to the polls. We need to put America in one big time machine and zoom us back before 2007 where America was a safer place to live. And btw, i thought you were going on vacation? #BLUELIVESMATTER as well as #ALLLIVESMATTER 2? 2? Try 1000 per year! |
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Post by phillippatUK on Jul 17, 2016 12:46:30 GMT -5
God hifternun everyone! We won in the tennis (Davis Cup QF) again  (And without Andy Murray too!) (Was at Roslyn's yesterday, and ended up watching the golf highlights - LOLOLOLOLOL@McIlroy's putting  ) -------------- roknsteve What happened before humanity existed is not what matters - (the conditions were much worse then than they are now) - but what has happened since, which is clearly affected by humanity's behaviour - we've already raised the CO2 levels to higher than they've ever been during our existence! If it were completely 'natural', that would have happened CENTURIES/MILLENNIA before now due to several big volcanic eruptions etc. - it would have steadily increased after each one - but didn't! The tick upwards of global CO2/temperature is FAR TOO RECENT and coincides with humanity's industrial development for there to be no link whatsoever. |
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 17, 2016 13:14:35 GMT -5
TTICD had cold feet apparently in choosing Pence. First major decision and he can't handle it. Part of me reads it as "this wasn't his choice". I think Manafort pushed him to taking Pence and Trump went along with it but Pence just isn't the kind of guy Trump wants. Pence's a straight-laced Christian, at least that's what he makes himself out to be. TTICD knows nothing about that. |
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 17, 2016 13:15:19 GMT -5
TrumPence had to change its logo. The joke got too out of control. It climaxed? Flaccid thought. |
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Post by foggyisback on Jul 17, 2016 13:17:00 GMT -5
3 more police officers ambushed and killed and 7 wounded in La Bamba home state of Louisiana. Yes, unfortunately there are bad people in every state. But he only seems concerned about those who live in Chicago. |
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Post by LA_Randy on Jul 17, 2016 13:18:39 GMT -5
You guys going all sacredh on us? |
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Post by LA_Randy on Jul 17, 2016 13:35:14 GMT -5
Yes, unfortunately there are bad people in every state. But he only seems concerned about those who live in Chicago. There does seem to be an emphasis, by Oreo, on brown people killing people while totally ignoring white people killing people. I wonder why? |
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Post by roknsteve on Jul 17, 2016 13:55:01 GMT -5
100 Reasons Why Climate Change is Natural. (2) Man made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history. European foundation, 2009 I'm going on vacation this coming week so I'll be posting these when I get back. But the Earth has some ability to absorb carbon dioxide over time - the primary method being photosynthesis which takes the carbon dioxide and some water, converts it into oxygen and glucose. And while most of that glucose gets used by various animals for consumption, a gigantic percentage of it ends up as dead plant material that collects in the Earth in the form of carbon-based fuels such as coal and oil - which we're now burning up. As such, the carbon dioxide that actively sits in the atmosphere stays within a specific band (which admittedly we're still within) and in the more recent history - really since the end of the Cretaceous era - the carbon dioxide levels have trended downward. So lets look at more recent history. Before the industrial revolution, the Earth's atmosphere was approximately 270ppm carbon dioxide - a number that in the historically tiny time period of human history, was approximately consistent as its a number that normally doesn't move quickly with shifts measured more on the 10,000 or 100,000 year scale - so human history basically fits into one notch in that time frame. Today, the Earth's atmosphere is approximately 400 ppm. Each year, the human race pumps out enough carbon dioxide to add 2ppm of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. This is measurable. It is calculatable. 2ppm is tiny on the scale of 6.4 billion years - that stat is absolutely correct about that - but it isn't about what the impact is over the course of Earth's history, it's about what the impact is over the course of today. Consider this. If I put a quarter on your arm and pressed down on it, you wouldn't really think about it. But if I put a needle on your arm and pressed down, it would pierce your skin. Why? Because surface area. Even though the quarter weighs a bit more, the fact that its spread out over a large area means that the only thing it does is annoy you. The needle has so little surface area that it isn't being stopped and does some damage. Sure, in the grand scheme of the human body, it doesn't do a heck of a lot of damage - no serious person says that our actions will destroy the Earth. But to those blood cells where that needle broke through, they're no longer in the body - for them, it's a huge deal. EDIT: BTW, 0.00022% means we're producing about the equivalent of 14000 years worth of carbon dioxide in under 200. First of all CO2 causes more plant growth. And I've never heard of anyone dying from breathing it. Polluted water will kill us all millions of years before CO2. And you're going to have to decide whether you are going to except all science or reject it all. Otherwise it starts to sound phony. This is my last reply on this subject because I'm just the messenger. |
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Post by phillippatUK on Jul 17, 2016 14:02:35 GMT -5
First of all CO2 causes more plant growth. And I've never heard of anyone dying from breathing it. Polluted water will kill us all millions of years before CO2. And you're going to have to decide whether you are going to except all science or reject it all. Otherwise it starts to sound phony. This is my last reply on this subject because I'm just the messenger. There are a couple of factors that completely mitigate increased plant growth: 1) That we're chopping down a lot of the more denser plant growth ourselves, alongside increasing our CO2 etc. output. 2) That melting permafrost will release far more than than can be absorbed in the same time frame. Climate change and polluted water often have a similar cause - heavy industry/farming - and treating one can help the other, okay? The number of problems we face do NOT have to be an either/or choice between which ones we want/have to treat. |
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Post by jarais on Jul 17, 2016 14:10:15 GMT -5
A writer on Cracked thinks that the Duterte presidency could mean genocide in the Philippines. I'm not sure I disagree. Link. |
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Post by forgottenlord on Jul 17, 2016 14:30:40 GMT -5
But the Earth has some ability to absorb carbon dioxide over time - the primary method being photosynthesis which takes the carbon dioxide and some water, converts it into oxygen and glucose. And while most of that glucose gets used by various animals for consumption, a gigantic percentage of it ends up as dead plant material that collects in the Earth in the form of carbon-based fuels such as coal and oil - which we're now burning up. As such, the carbon dioxide that actively sits in the atmosphere stays within a specific band (which admittedly we're still within) and in the more recent history - really since the end of the Cretaceous era - the carbon dioxide levels have trended downward. So lets look at more recent history. Before the industrial revolution, the Earth's atmosphere was approximately 270ppm carbon dioxide - a number that in the historically tiny time period of human history, was approximately consistent as its a number that normally doesn't move quickly with shifts measured more on the 10,000 or 100,000 year scale - so human history basically fits into one notch in that time frame. Today, the Earth's atmosphere is approximately 400 ppm. Each year, the human race pumps out enough carbon dioxide to add 2ppm of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. This is measurable. It is calculatable. 2ppm is tiny on the scale of 6.4 billion years - that stat is absolutely correct about that - but it isn't about what the impact is over the course of Earth's history, it's about what the impact is over the course of today. Consider this. If I put a quarter on your arm and pressed down on it, you wouldn't really think about it. But if I put a needle on your arm and pressed down, it would pierce your skin. Why? Because surface area. Even though the quarter weighs a bit more, the fact that its spread out over a large area means that the only thing it does is annoy you. The needle has so little surface area that it isn't being stopped and does some damage. Sure, in the grand scheme of the human body, it doesn't do a heck of a lot of damage - no serious person says that our actions will destroy the Earth. But to those blood cells where that needle broke through, they're no longer in the body - for them, it's a huge deal. EDIT: BTW, 0.00022% means we're producing about the equivalent of 14000 years worth of carbon dioxide in under 200. First of all CO2 causes more plant growth. And I've never heard of anyone dying from breathing it. Polluted water will kill us all millions of years before CO2. And you're going to have to decide whether you are going to except all science or reject it all. Otherwise it starts to sound phony. This is my last reply on this subject because I'm just the messenger. It's accept, not except. Nobody said CO2 was going to kill us, they said it was going to cook us (and even then, they didn't say that - they said it was going to create such a drastic change to our environment that it will have calamitous results). But because you mentioned it, I would note that CO2 was one of the major concerns that Apollo 13 faced due to the fact that it was toxic. The worst projections do not have CO2 levels getting that high Promotion of plant growth is great when humans are not causing mass deforestation in favor of farming often with the consequence of desertification. But even if we ignore that, the fact that CO2 levels have climbed by 50% shows that regardless of whether it is or isn't promoted, it clearly isn't keeping up with human activity. I accept Science's most important attribute which is repeatability. If multiple methodologies reach the same conclusion, it is a repeatable experiment and therefore far more likely to reflect reality. Approaching the question of climate change from multiple directions yields similar results and conclusions. Also, I didn't reject your science, I explained its irrelevance to the topic at hand. You're the one who rejected my explanation out of hand. After all, if that stat was particularly relevant, what we should have seen over the total course of history was a slowly increasing amount of carbon dioxide since the very start. Guess what: we don't see that. Instead, we find a fluctuating carbon dioxide spectrum that has suddenly gone from fluctuating to extreme climbing. And finally, I took the time to take your argument apart and attack it from 4 different direction - analytical, numerical, metaphorical, and a different numerical approach. Which kinda supports my repeatability argument but whatever Refuting all of them with a "clearly you don't listen to all science" is not an effective, intelligent, or reasonable counterattack. If anything, it proves that you live in the realm of denial - I took the time to reason it and you covered your ears and said "not listening, you're an idiot". |
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Post by paulnnto on Jul 17, 2016 15:04:27 GMT -5
OreoReport: Open up your Christian book where it says, "You Reap What You Sow." You keep shooting people without reason and soon they start shooting back. The Police do have Tasers but it seems they'd rather murder people of all races. Now go back to your Daddy Drudge for your daily sludge. So the StevieReport says 2 die and in return we kill 8 of you. Is this the America we all dreamed about 8 years ago when 65 million went to the polls. We need to put America in one big time machine and zoom us back before 2007 where America was a safer place to live. And btw, i thought you were going on vacation? #BLUELIVESMATTER as well as #ALLLIVESMATTER "#BLUELIVESMATTER as well as #ALLLIVESMATTER" Kill a cop, life sentence or death penalty. Cops kills a citizen, rarely if ever even charged much less convicted. Goodness when the rightists try to be "smart" or "clever" ("Hey I thought you were supposed to be tolerant! Why are you mad at me for being a racist?") it makes want to pound my head against a wall. |
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Post by roknsteve on Jul 17, 2016 15:34:59 GMT -5
First of all CO2 causes more plant growth. And I've never heard of anyone dying from breathing it. Polluted water will kill us all millions of years before CO2. And you're going to have to decide whether you are going to except all science or reject it all. Otherwise it starts to sound phony. This is my last reply on this subject because I'm just the messenger. It's accept, not except. Nobody said CO2 was going to kill us, they said it was going to cook us (and even then, they didn't say that - they said it was going to create such a drastic change to our environment that it will have calamitous results). But because you mentioned it, I would note that CO2 was one of the major concerns that Apollo 13 faced due to the fact that it was toxic. The worst projections do not have CO2 levels getting that high Promotion of plant growth is great when humans are not causing mass deforestation in favor of farming often with the consequence of desertification. But even if we ignore that, the fact that CO2 levels have climbed by 50% shows that regardless of whether it is or isn't promoted, it clearly isn't keeping up with human activity. I accept Science's most important attribute which is repeatability. If multiple methodologies reach the same conclusion, it is a repeatable experiment and therefore far more likely to reflect reality. Approaching the question of climate change from multiple directions yields similar results and conclusions. Also, I didn't reject your science, I explained its irrelevance to the topic at hand. You're the one who rejected my explanation out of hand. After all, if that stat was particularly relevant, what we should have seen over the total course of history was a slowly increasing amount of carbon dioxide since the very start. Guess what: we don't see that. Instead, we find a fluctuating carbon dioxide spectrum that has suddenly gone from fluctuating to extreme climbing. And finally, I took the time to take your argument apart and attack it from 4 different direction - analytical, numerical, metaphorical, and a different numerical approach. Which kinda supports my repeatability argument but whatever Refuting all of them with a "clearly you don't listen to all science" is not an effective, intelligent, or reasonable counterattack. If anything, it proves that you live in the realm of denial - I took the time to reason it and you covered your ears and said "not listening, you're an idiot". Everything you posted still doesn't change the fact that "man made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle the the earth during geological history." And then as usual you start with the insults. I'm gonna have to block you. |
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Post by LA_Randy on Jul 17, 2016 15:48:35 GMT -5
It's accept, not except. Nobody said CO2 was going to kill us, they said it was going to cook us (and even then, they didn't say that - they said it was going to create such a drastic change to our environment that it will have calamitous results). But because you mentioned it, I would note that CO2 was one of the major concerns that Apollo 13 faced due to the fact that it was toxic. The worst projections do not have CO2 levels getting that high Promotion of plant growth is great when humans are not causing mass deforestation in favor of farming often with the consequence of desertification. But even if we ignore that, the fact that CO2 levels have climbed by 50% shows that regardless of whether it is or isn't promoted, it clearly isn't keeping up with human activity. I accept Science's most important attribute which is repeatability. If multiple methodologies reach the same conclusion, it is a repeatable experiment and therefore far more likely to reflect reality. Approaching the question of climate change from multiple directions yields similar results and conclusions. Also, I didn't reject your science, I explained its irrelevance to the topic at hand. You're the one who rejected my explanation out of hand. After all, if that stat was particularly relevant, what we should have seen over the total course of history was a slowly increasing amount of carbon dioxide since the very start. Guess what: we don't see that. Instead, we find a fluctuating carbon dioxide spectrum that has suddenly gone from fluctuating to extreme climbing. And finally, I took the time to take your argument apart and attack it from 4 different direction - analytical, numerical, metaphorical, and a different numerical approach. Which kinda supports my repeatability argument but whatever Refuting all of them with a "clearly you don't listen to all science" is not an effective, intelligent, or reasonable counterattack. If anything, it proves that you live in the realm of denial - I took the time to reason it and you covered your ears and said "not listening, you're an idiot". Everything you posted still doesn't change the fact that "man made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle the the earth during geological history." And then as usual you start with the insults. I'm gonna have to block you. Look at the quote marks roknsteve, he is saying that you are calling him an idiot by totally ignoring his explanation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 15:57:28 GMT -5
3 more police officers ambushed and killed and 7 wounded in La Bamba home state of Louisiana. OreoReport: Open up your Christian book where it says, "You Reap What You Sow." You keep shooting people without reason and soon they start shooting back. The Police do have Tasers but it seems they'd rather murder people of all races. Now go back to your Daddy Drudge for your daily sludge. This is a slippery slope, and the cops in Baton Rouge are not guilty for what happens somewhere else because of bad apples. Another person could say the same towards those citizens who've been shot, 'If the citizens keep committing terrible crimes... well, you reap what you sow'. |
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