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Post by foggyisback on Oct 10, 2023 1:49:18 GMT -5
Bibi is telling civilians to leave their apartheid open air prison now in Gaza because IDF is going to turn every 'Hamas' hideout into rubble. Where are they going to go. Israel control whomever comes and goes. Did you know that out of 2 million people living in Gaza, half of them are children and the average age is 18 years old. Most people there have lived all their lives in this prison while Israeli settlers have slowly taken all their farmland and most of the good spots. That doesn't excuse what Hamas did. But it explains why young Palestinians join these abhorrent terrorists. What else is there? Die young in the crumbling infrastructure of Gaza, with dirty water, no medicine, and barely any sanitation? Bibi knows what he's doing. He knows that the civilians can't leave, and he can pretend that he warned them all before Gaza was once more turned into rubble. Hamas don't care. From what is left another generation of soldiers will be recruited, and Israel will use this excuse to make their lives even worse, and Bibi will survive another political challenge to his incompetence. Meanwhile, the civilians on both sides will always bear the brunt of the damage done, with Palestinians dying by a rate of 10 times that of Israelis. Just so Bibi can continue his corrupt policies and Hamas recruit the desperate out of the rubble. Since no one trusts the other, what can be done? This is the Middle East's answer to the Electoral College and the 2nd Amendment: Complain, then do nothing. And more people die. Simply bc "My life is more valuable than yours." Side Note: Why do MSM act like the world must stop when there's a war (or whatever you want to call it) going on in Israel? Ukraine just doesn't matter now?? |
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 10, 2023 6:36:41 GMT -5
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 10, 2023 9:34:18 GMT -5
Bibi is telling civilians to leave their apartheid open air prison now in Gaza because IDF is going to turn every 'Hamas' hideout into rubble. Where are they going to go. Israel control whomever comes and goes. Did you know that out of 2 million people living in Gaza, half of them are children and the average age is 18 years old. Most people there have lived all their lives in this prison while Israeli settlers have slowly taken all their farmland and most of the good spots. That doesn't excuse what Hamas did. But it explains why young Palestinians join these abhorrent terrorists. What else is there? Die young in the crumbling infrastructure of Gaza, with dirty water, no medicine, and barely any sanitation? Bibi knows what he's doing. He knows that the civilians can't leave, and he can pretend that he warned them all before Gaza was once more turned into rubble. Hamas don't care. From what is left another generation of soldiers will be recruited, and Israel will use this excuse to make their lives even worse, and Bibi will survive another political challenge to his incompetence. Meanwhile, the civilians on both sides will always bear the brunt of the damage done, with Palestinians dying by a rate of 10 times that of Israelis. Just so Bibi can continue his corrupt policies and Hamas recruit the desperate out of the rubble. Since no one trusts the other, what can be done? This is the Middle East's answer to the Electoral College and the 2nd Amendment: Complain, then do nothing. And more people die. Simply bc "My life is more valuable than yours." Side Note: Why do MSM act like the world must stop when there's a war (or whatever you want to call it) going on in Israel? Ukraine just doesn't matter now?? Shiny new toy. If the war lasts 2 weeks, they'll start forgetting about it. |
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 9:36:48 GMT -5
It should be made clear - and that is a distinction that the idiot right will never do - what Hamas did is barbaric. It is the shit they've dreamed about doing for a long time. They're scum. The way they killed, the way they treated, raped, brutalized and slaughtered entire family is without remorse or humanity.
There is no but here.
There's no false equivocation and defense of their acts.
It is the cycle of violence in that area.
Foggy asked why.
Israel has justified their actions going back to their experience during WW2. Where entire generations of jews were slaughtered. They said, never again. Their generational trauma has excused the apartheid system they've put in place.
When Palestinians started resisting it was first a cry for help. It started with airplane hijackings and as when that's generation of terrorists were brutalized, jailed, tortured, beaten and eventually killed, that the next generation, younger and knowing nothing but occupation, grew up with no other faith than starvation, early death or resistance, turned 'protest' into death.
Munich was a protest. This attack was death. That is all they know now. An existential struggle by a very young population that has been raised in captivity and knows nothing but occupation and brutality.
Meanwhile Israel is a semi democracy run by ultra religious lunatics and a corrupt Bibi. A leadership that has learned that their best way to galvanize support is by fomenting conflict.
If you look at the history over the year, Bibi has periodically started conflicts when the political winds turn. By either the brutalization of Palestinians, provoking conflict by stealing land or starting shit during Muslim holidays, or simply terrorized the two occupied territories until something happens. And in turn Hamas and other groups have happily used this to recruit and set the stage with suicide attacks and bombings.
You can also see the actions of some of the fanatic settlers that has slowly pushed Palestinians back into a smaller area. They're armed to the teeth and constantly attack Palestinians.
It doesn't excuse Hamas actions - BUT - it is forshadowing the worst elements among Palestinians. This is to them an existential threat. And to Israel Palestinians occupy areas they feel belong to them.
Who's fault is this.
The British Empire.
Both sides lived side by side from mid 1500s to WW1 under the Ottoman Empire. From WW1 and forward England promised both Arabs and Israelis that area, if they fought for them against the Ottoman Empire during WW1. And then reneged on it and divided it up between France and Great Britain. Until post WW2 where against all odds - the 'never again' Jewish resistance carved out a land, fighting off every Arab country surrounding them - on the backs of Palestinians who drew the shortest straw and the Arab nations were defeated. Note, none of the Arab nations around there really gave a shit about the Palestinians. This was not a war on their behalf. Since then we've had several wars, a civil war in Lebanon that exhausted an entire generation and now a constant conflict about a people no one cares about and a modern nation normalizing relations with other Arab nations.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 9:37:47 GMT -5
Since no one trusts the other, what can be done? This is the Middle East's answer to the Electoral College and the 2nd Amendment: Complain, then do nothing. And more people die. Simply bc "My life is more valuable than yours." Side Note: Why do MSM act like the world must stop when there's a war (or whatever you want to call it) going on in Israel? Ukraine just doesn't matter now?? Shiny new toy. If the war lasts 2 weeks, they'll start forgetting about it. Media will be there showing the Israeli civilians paraded through streets, fomenting outrage. They will not be there when IDF levels entire blocks in revenge. As it has always been. |
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 10:16:40 GMT -5
One is a moronic soundbite machine. The other sounds like someone looking for consensus or solutions.
See if you can spot whom.
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 10, 2023 10:32:29 GMT -5
One is a moronic soundbite machine. The other sounds like someone looking for consensus or solutions. See if you can spot whom. Uh, the 'chick' with the filter? |
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 10, 2023 10:44:18 GMT -5
Factorio announced rail bridges!!!!
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 10:56:45 GMT -5
Scumturd Margie goes on Fox and says that what is happening in Israel can happen in USA because we've been 'invaded' by millions of people, from over 160 countries.
Yup. That is from the same shitbag that hate Jews. But that is the fascist right for you. Always the victim, none of the brain.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 10:57:03 GMT -5
Factorio announced rail bridges!!!! And space ships. |
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 10, 2023 11:00:38 GMT -5
Factorio announced rail bridges!!!! And space ships. Oh, some of the stuff they're talking about for the expansion is cool (the mass circuit build they had to demo filtering for high tier equipment was really cool), but there is nothing that I've wanted as much as rail bridges. There might be no subject that has as many blueprints exchanged as rail intersections because of the lack of bridges And if the framework for bridges is in place, some modder will made 3 or 4 level bridges and then the designs are going to get really wild |
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Post by LA_Randy on Oct 10, 2023 11:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 10, 2023 11:51:22 GMT -5
🎯, though it's more like doom recycling  |
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Post by phillippatUK on Oct 10, 2023 12:01:20 GMT -5
Factorio announced rail bridges!!!! Dammit, I need the :frantic: 'running around like a headless chicken' emoticon from the foxestalk forum to reply to this  |
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 10, 2023 12:04:10 GMT -5
Just the seventh-highest....
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 10, 2023 13:46:13 GMT -5
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 13:56:12 GMT -5
Fully agree. How can anyone take a side when the only ones who want solutions - civilians - have no power to enforce it. The idea that there's democracy in Israel is irrelevant. Through many different governments, Israel has always made the choice to put the burden on Palestinians to do everything perfectly while reducing all infrastructure needed to facilitate a change, as soon as there is a conflict. It is childish to believe that all civilians in Palestine want what they have now. But Palestinians could just 'vote' Hamas out. Sure. In some kind of fantasy maybe, Just look at Israel - Bibi just started dismantling the judiciary against mass protests from Israelis. If they can't make it happen, how the fuck can Palestinians do it, with a 40k strong Hamas movement being the few armed. Hamas members who spent their first weeks in power back when Palestinians voted for it, purging their political opponents after they won with a slim margin. |
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 14:03:06 GMT -5
When the idiot right says it is only about the children, they are lying. It is about them forcing their warped ideas of morals on the rest of us.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 14:11:49 GMT -5
So Alpha
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 14:14:21 GMT -5
Ah, yes. Lets the weakest speaker in our times have his job back, because Israel.
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 10, 2023 14:17:41 GMT -5
Ah, yes. Let the weakest speaker in our times have his job back, because Israel.Then how the reindeer loved him.... |
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 14:22:52 GMT -5
FREE SPECH BITCHES!
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 14:24:17 GMT -5
Lets pump the outrage to 12. 11 isn't enough.
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 10, 2023 16:06:02 GMT -5
Uh.... Steele didn't release the file. It was a private background check that was completed and submitted privately to a private entity. Now, if he wanted to sue Clinton under these premises, that would be closer to a valid complaint but then he'd be under American law. |
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 16:07:54 GMT -5
Uh.... Steele didn't release the file. It was a private background check that was completed and submitted privately to a private entity. Now, if he wanted to sue Clinton under these premises, that would be closer to a valid complaint but then he'd be under American law. I believe it was originally requested by a conservative group before Hillary ended up with it. |
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Post by phillippatUK on Oct 10, 2023 16:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 10, 2023 16:54:51 GMT -5
Uh.... Steele didn't release the file. It was a private background check that was completed and submitted privately to a private entity. Now, if he wanted to sue Clinton under these premises, that would be closer to a valid complaint but then he'd be under American law. I believe it was originally requested by a conservative group before Hillary ended up with it. Yes, but my understanding is that they never tried to give it to the media, Clinton's team (or some satellite of theirs) did so they're the ones who attempted to publicize it. |
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 10, 2023 18:21:46 GMT -5
ICYMI (and you probably did with the 24/7 Israel coverage): Joe was interviewed regarding his classified documents investigation, which usually signals that the thing is about to draw to a conclusion. I expect nothing to come from it.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 20:23:43 GMT -5
I believe it was originally requested by a conservative group before Hillary ended up with it. Yes, but my understanding is that they never tried to give it to the media, Clinton's team (or some satellite of theirs) did so they're the ones who attempted to publicize it. I think it had to do with the fact that by the time they had a chance to, Trump had already bagged the primaries. So at that point it was kind of pointless. But I don't know for sure. |
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 10, 2023 20:28:05 GMT -5
ICYMI (and you probably did with the 24/7 Israel coverage): Joe was interviewed regarding his classified documents investigation, which usually signals that the thing is about to draw to a conclusion. I expect nothing to come from it. Just as it did with Pence. What Pence and Biden did isn't even comparable to the grand theft by Trump. People who try doesn't give one single shit about Trumps criminal corruption. |
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