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Post by foggyisback on Oct 20, 2023 3:50:11 GMT -5
<i>It would be much smarter to acknowledge the horrific terror act, but still temper Israel in their thirst for vengeance.</i>
Joe covered both in his speech last night.
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 20, 2023 4:19:03 GMT -5
Is the House voting again today or not? I'm confused!
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 4:19:48 GMT -5
Jim Jordans political savvy
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 5:02:57 GMT -5
<i>It would be much smarter to acknowledge the horrific terror act, but still temper Israel in their thirst for vengeance.</i> Joe covered both in his speech last night. That's great, so what will he do to the end the violence against Gaza and West Bank. He has promised unwavering support to Israel in their thirst for vengeance and the right for them to slaughter Palestinians. So now what has he promised to do to end the slaughter? Or was it more rethorical, like, we should be mean to Palestinians anywhere? Any concrete steps to end the bloodbath anytime soon? I'm asking because the impression people have so far is still unwavering material support to Israel without conditions. Such as passing another 100 billion aid package for both Ukraine and Israel. So I watched this, and other then 'we cannot let our anger Jews anywhere and we cannot let Islamophobia spill out against American Muslims/Arabs/Palestinian', we will provide aid to Palestinian (I assume the negotiated aid from Egypt to Southern Gaza, which Israel is still limiting), but nothing about electricity, fuel and water that is still cut off. No mentioning about the relentless bombarding, only that Hamas has to be destroyed. No mentioning about the current terror campaign against the West Bank, which has no Hamas. Be honest. Was there anything in this speech that still didn't lay all burden of this conflict on 'Hamas' and therefor also Palestinians? What measures did you hear in the speech that guarantees the safety of all Palestinians in the region and doesn't provide unlimited support to Israel? Here is what we know. Jordan has walked away from any talks and insist on 1967 borders for a 2 state solution. None of the protests in Europe is on Biden of course, but this hints to a larger issue at hands. European leaders and USA has promised unconditional support for Israel. And people around the world, especially in Middle East are noticing the lack of effort to pull the plug on further atrocities. And Middle Eastern countries fear, rightly so, that Israel is pushing Palestinians to flee, like they have done so many times before in order to steal more land. I mean it was a nice speech about not letting this lead to violence against our American friends of all ethnicities and I agree wholeheartedly. But there is no end in sight. And that is the problem. Meanwhile billions will flow to aid Israel, while instability rocks the region.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 5:07:50 GMT -5
Is the House voting again today or not? I'm confused! Nooooo...sure....
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 7:25:01 GMT -5
Is the House voting again today or not? I'm confused! Nooooo...sure.... Third time is a...um.....
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 7:29:18 GMT -5
Apparently the Tories are getting creamed in UK. phillippatUK, what is the dealio? Are people finally tired of shit now when the reality of Brexit is hammering the British economy?
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 20, 2023 7:42:36 GMT -5
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 7:58:58 GMT -5
And he wants to do that on a Federal level?
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Post by LA_Randy on Oct 20, 2023 8:01:44 GMT -5
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 20, 2023 8:08:32 GMT -5
<i>Was there anything in this speech that still didn't lay all burden of this conflict on 'Hamas' <b>and therefore also Palestinians?</b></i>
It's a stretch in assuming that Hamas = all Palestinians when you know that's not true.
It's safe to say that Israel must come up with a plan for the West Bank's future from the rubble. They likely don't have one. Joe should stay on them, I agree. But let's not make 2 + 2 = 470.
We saw from the hospital bombing that the only thing that was buried in the rubble was the truth.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 8:35:31 GMT -5
<i>Was there anything in this speech that still didn't lay all burden of this conflict on 'Hamas' <b>and therefore also Palestinians?</b></i> It's a stretch in assuming that Hamas = all Palestinians when you know that's not true. It's safe to say that Israel must come up with a plan for the West Bank's future from the rubble. They likely don't have one. Joe should stay on them, I agree. But let's not make 2 + 2 = 470. We saw from the hospital bombing that the only thing that was buried in the rubble was the truth. I hope you don't think that is what I think? That is how Israel is acting. On the highest official level. Joe should stay on them. But he is not. Nor is Europe. Now is the time to do it. Not 30 days from now, considering that Israel is using the shadow of the Gaza flames to overtly doing it in the West Bank. Israel - by their own words and admission will not stop until they have taken over a large part of Gaza. They've expressed as much. On the highest official level. We, therefor, as their most important ally, has to put pressure for them to immediately turn back on electricity, water and deliver fuel and food. We have to pressure them, and Biden has to calm the middle east by stating that we are doing it. But we're not. Nor is Europe. Europe is instead clamping down in Palestinian protests - be it from Jews for an end to the war as in Germany, or from Palestinians living there. Whereas any march for Israelis is allowed to go on. Did we now? If that is your take away - in the same hospital that was hit by Israeli artillery a few days earlier that killed several people, and the shelling and bombing of all other hospitals, with over 4000 dead now? Over 64 by now murdered in West Bank, it does appear that Israel is doing a fantastic job in burying the truth. Do you think anyone can drop that many bombs without significant destruction and death toll? Here is what we are seeing. The ungluing of Israel's normalized relationship with their neighbors and a much worse diplomatic picture for us. We continue to anchor us to Israel's every whim. Especially since Bibi continue to move the government in a rightward dangerous tilt, and disbanding the very democratic institution that makes them the only true Democracy in the region.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 9:02:35 GMT -5
Except for the facts that Israel has occupied the Palestinian territories for 75 years. In that respect Israel is just like Russia. Regardless what Hamas stated goal is, Israel continued theft of Palestinian ancestral land is the reason why Israel keep getting attacked.
I'm sure the Greek Orthodox Patriarchy is just full of Hamas fans.
Hamas killed some 1400 men, women and children and took hostage what appears to be around 200. Hostages Israeli officials do not seem to care much about in their relentless bombardment. And for all we know, some of them have been brutally murdered by Hamas and killed in the bombardment.
We also know that Hamas and other terrorist groups keep firing off rockets; few have done much damage because there seems to be very little death toll from it. Which is historically true since the introduction of the Iron Dome, but also before that. These are highly inaccurate rockets with limited reliability. Most of them are improvised and as far as most can tell are not all that lethal.
US official estimate of the one that hit the hospital, if it was a malfunctioning rocket, killed some 100-200 and not 500 as Hamas says. But again, there is no independent verified source, so 100-200 is more likely.
We know that roughly 4000 as a low estimate Palestinians have died with some 100 approaching in the West Bank. The ones in the West Bank keep dying despite there not being any Hamas there and the Palestinian authorities having clashed with protesters to simmer them down. But that have not stopped Israeli Settlers and IDF from murdering anyone with a stick.
And there is a real risk that when IDF finally goes in, Hezbollah will most likely attack in full, which will only lead to more bloodbath in Lebanon with little damage to Israel. And honestly, if they can keep the clashes to the border region and Hezbollah is mostly the victims, I couldn't care less. These people are fanatics. But, as we often sees, the conflict expands and civilians in Lebanon dies. Lets hope IDF have enough troops stationed there to stop Hezbollah from doing any damage, and it appears IDF has moved civilians out of harms way in anticipation of additional attacks.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 9:05:43 GMT -5
Are we learnin'? I hope the rich fucks that keep buying our politicians don't like crabs. I wonder what they will say when the lobster population goes through a similar decline. You can't eat money.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 9:14:23 GMT -5
Mr Law and order over there...
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Post by phillippatUK on Oct 20, 2023 9:34:54 GMT -5
Apparently the Tories are getting creamed in UK. phillippatUK, what is the dealio? Are people finally tired of shit now when the reality of Brexit is hammering the British economy? I know - maybe some people over here don't like eating shit sandwiches afterall?
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 9:40:24 GMT -5
Apparently the Tories are getting creamed in UK. phillippatUK, what is the dealio? Are people finally tired of shit now when the reality of Brexit is hammering the British economy? I know - maybe some people over here don't like eating shit sandwiches afterall? It also seems that some Tories are running over to the new Brexit party, sorta like an ultra right dumbass party, which only hurts the Tories.
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 20, 2023 9:44:52 GMT -5
Apparently the Tories are getting creamed in UK. phillippatUK, what is the dealio? Are people finally tired of shit now when the reality of Brexit is hammering the British economy? I know - maybe some people over here don't like eating shit sandwiches afterall? They ran out of paprika?
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 20, 2023 9:50:17 GMT -5
Apparently the Tories are getting creamed in UK. phillippatUK, what is the dealio? Are people finally tired of shit now when the reality of Brexit is hammering the British economy? I saw a video the other day that said that the Tories platform was to blame the EU for all of their problems and the solution to it was to divorce the EU and now that they've divorced the EU, their platform is to blame the EU for all of their problems.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 9:52:51 GMT -5
Meanwhile on Fox as GOP burns....
Apparently Accuracy in Media works like Project veritas. They do these fake ass video shit then doctors videos so Fox News can whitewash the shit. Apparently they struck out in Ohio and got something out of it in Texas. What is CRT? GOPers do not have any fucking idea. But that makes it all that better for the idiot locust that watch their shit. If they don't know, then how the fuck will they ever understand what they're seeing and hearing. Twofer.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 9:53:32 GMT -5
Apparently the Tories are getting creamed in UK. phillippatUK, what is the dealio? Are people finally tired of shit now when the reality of Brexit is hammering the British economy? I saw a video the other day that said that the Tories platform was to blame the EU for all of their problems and the solution to it was to divorce the EU and now that they've divorced the EU, their platform is to blame the EU for all of their problems. Hmmm, thinking about the recent speaker debacle...what does that sounds like....
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 10:00:26 GMT -5
The dominoes are falling.
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 10:02:33 GMT -5
Vos sure is a dingleberry.
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 20, 2023 10:20:21 GMT -5
I saw a video the other day that said that the Tories platform was to blame the EU for all of their problems and the solution to it was to divorce the EU and now that they've divorced the EU, their platform is to blame the EU for all of their problems. Hmmm, thinking about the recent speaker debacle...what does that sounds like.... Randy's signature?
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Post by LA_Randy on Oct 20, 2023 10:39:53 GMT -5
Jordan has went down again.
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Post by foggyisback on Oct 20, 2023 10:48:21 GMT -5
THREE NEW "no" votes against Gym. 25 is not an improvement on 20 'nos' or 22 'nos'. This is what needs to happen:
5-10 holdout Republicals [sic] cut a deal with Hakeem. They get some pet projects passed - in exchange, they will vote 'present', and Jeffries becomes speaker.
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Post by phillippatUK on Oct 20, 2023 10:48:24 GMT -5
Jordan has went down again. You'd think he'd know when to submit, right?
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Post by forgottenlord on Oct 20, 2023 11:07:36 GMT -5
Jordan has went down again. You'd think he'd know when to submit, right? He's MAGA. I'm just amazed he hasn't started talking about how it's rigged
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 11:12:14 GMT -5
Jordan has went down again. Oh lol....
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Post by mrobvious on Oct 20, 2023 11:13:40 GMT -5
More finger wagging. It is time that someone get a little bit more serious.
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